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good morning everyone like Steve said

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today I'm going to be talking about the

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limitations of the language used to

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describe meanness mediumistic phenomena

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and so to demonstrate the importance and

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the power of language I'm going to use

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an example from one of my favorite art

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forms newspaper comic strips so in this

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comic strip this child is saying words

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are weird with arbitrary grunts and

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moans I can implant an idea directly in

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someone's brain and to a passerby he

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says giraffes pimp and the passerby

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thinks of a giraffe dressed like a pimp

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and the child says I refuse to use this

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power wisely so I'll get to my actual

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topic now even though hundreds if not

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thousands of our millions of people are

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receiving readings from psychic mediums

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every day and even though dozens of

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mediums have written books and several

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even have their own TV shows as a

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research community we really don't know

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a whole lot about modern American mental

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mediums so there we're already running

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into language issues what's a medium and

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what's a mental medium hold your horses

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and I will tell you so we define a

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medium at the wind bridge Research

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Center as an individual who experiences

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regular communication with the deceased

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and this is in contrast to a psychic

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which is an individual who experiences

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information about or from living people

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distant locations or events and her

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times in the future in the past that

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they did not originally experience and

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it's often said that all mediums are

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psychic but not all psychics are mediums

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and though anyone can have media mystic

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or psychic experiences only people who

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have these experiences regularly and

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reliably are accurately termed mediums

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and psychics so there's two kinds of

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mediums physical and mental and the

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states of consciousness that exists in

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each are arrayed along a continuum of

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waking state to trance states of various

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depth and levels of dissociation

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so in the lip in the literature

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previously the term trance medium was

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used but because of this continuum of of

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different trance states it's not really

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an accurate term since any given medium

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can be in full trance one day and and

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basically awaking state the next day so

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going to the two types physical mental

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so in physical mediumship consists of

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phenomena including independent voices

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paranormal lights a ports which are

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objects that mysteriously appear the

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levitation or movement of objects

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ectoplasm and raps on walls or tables

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the purpose of mental mediumship is to

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convey messages from deceased animals or

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people called discarnates

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to living people called sitters during a

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specific event called a reading so

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previously in the literature terms have

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been used clairvoyant mediumship is a

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term that's been used but this also is a

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term that isn't necessarily accurate

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clairvoyant means clear seeing but the

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process of mediumship is actually

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multimodal it consists of all of the

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senses so this is an example quo of a

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medium describing those experiences so

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she said I get a sense in my body of how

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they passed I will hear names and dates

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see numbers and letters and places

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sometimes I get smells or odors and I'm

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able to taste foods with special

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connection to the discarnate or the

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sitter so there's where the bullet is it

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fell to the next slide so clairvoyant it

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would just be clear seeing which is

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limited to just seeing but clearly from

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this quote you can see that they do

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clear their clairaudient and clear

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Gustin and clear sentient so again it's

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a term that's been used in the

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literature that's probably not accurate

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it doesn't accurately reflect how

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mediumship actually works in the real

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world modern American mental mediums

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perform readings in person often

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not often but sometimes in groups over

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the phone and over the internet and

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during these readings they provide both

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mediumistic messages from the deceased

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and psychic information about the living

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reading recipient my previous research

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demonstrated we won't go through all

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this but in this case 20 mediums during

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58 quintuple blinded readings the

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mediums are able to accurately were able

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to report accurate and specific

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information about the deceased under

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blinded conditions with no prior

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knowledge no feedback during or after

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the reading and without using fraud or

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deception and so these are significant

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p-values and no pun intended medium

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effect sizes so but where are the

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mediums getting their information so

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there's two competing side based

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theories of where a medium is getting

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that this accurate information she's

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reporting the first is called survival

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sigh and it suggests that she's

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communicating telepathically with the

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deceased and the other is called somatic

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sigh and it states that mediums are

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using clairvoyance precognition and/or

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telepathy with the living to acquire

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information about the deceased so no

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actual dead people just information

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about them somatic sigh has also been

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referred to as living agent sigh but

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this terminology is problematic we don't

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like it the word living is imprecise and

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cryptic because of the both the medium

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and the alleged people she's reading

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during this theory are both living so

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what is the living referring to because

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in any case the medium is living and

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then but wise we just learned from that

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quote mediumship is perception and the

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word agent implies agency that the

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medium has some sort of power over

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what's happening but that's like I smell

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a banana like that means the banana has

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power you know like it's

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that it's it's misleading the agency

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that the medium has agency because she's

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experiencing it as perception and you

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its she doesn't have agency you get it

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so we like the term somatic sigh which

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we coined in 2009 however whatever you

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want to call it there's no empirical

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evidence that any medium ever was doing

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that survival sigh on the other hand has

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the evidence of self reports of mediums

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they know what psychic readings feel

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like they know what communication with

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the deceased feels like and they feel

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different so these are self reports and

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self report is important it's sort of

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the only way we can collect some data

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about internal experience William James

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said introspect introspective

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observation is what we have to rely on

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first and foremost and always so there

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are things we can only study within

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report self reports pain quality of life

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sensory perceptions the aforementioned

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banana bodily sensations so in the

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mediums experience they switch between

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living and messages from the deceased

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and not like moment to moment but

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they'll do a part of a reading for the

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decease and part of a reading for the

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living previous qualitative research has

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demonstrated that their experiences

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during those two are distinct and

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distinguishable so these are some quotes

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from mediums discussing those

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differences so they talked about sensory

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perceptions there's a heaviness around

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the sensation of living people like err

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compared to helium the auditory aspect

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is much sharper when I'm perceiving

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someone who is deceased their energy is

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more like helium with psychic

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information I have to squint from the

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inside out like to focus on something in

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the distance when I do mediumship it's

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not squinting at all it's just receiving

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they also talked about physical

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sensations so once it physically

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mediumship charges me up it's like

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having eight cups

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cappuccino it's like a buzzing I've

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learned I can't do readings too late at

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night because I'll just be up all night

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it's like a supercharged

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psychic information doesn't do that

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another medium said the physical feeling

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I get is a tingling or a pressure in my

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head when the medium stuff starts to

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happen or when they're meeting the

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deceased are entering the room I don't

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get that at all during a psychic reading

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and these quotes are from wind bridge

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certified research mediums we have a

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team that we work with of about 20

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mediums we had twenty when we started

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but to have since retired from research

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so these mediums have successfully

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completed a step peer-reviewed screening

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testing training procedure and are based

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on the premise that oh if we study a

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small number they're probably

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representative of the larger group of

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American mediums and but our recent

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research we've brought in to look at a

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much greater number of mediums so the

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research I'll be talking about today is

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from that larger group so a few months

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ago we published this paper quantitative

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and qualitative analyses of mediumistic

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and psychic experiences it's 40 pages

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long so I would be here till tomorrow if

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I went through every single bit but it's

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available it's from the journal

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threshold and it's available for free

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through our website at 1:00 birds that

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work so the study that this data is from

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was an online survey of mediums and non

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mediums all over the US and this

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particular piece that I'll be talking

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about is from 127 mediums who were over

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90 percent female over 90 percent white

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and about 54 years old as the average

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age one of the questions in the survey

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was can you tell the difference between

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communication from the deceased and

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psychic information about the living and

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about 97% said yes I can three said I

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don't know and one said no I can't so

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then the people who said yes we then

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asked in your own words describe your

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experiences when receiving communication

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and in your own words describe your

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experiences when getting psychic

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information about the living and those

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questions were counterbalanced and the

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responses were from 14 wind bridge

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mediums and 108 self-identified mediums

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so we took those 244 text descriptions

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and quantitatively and qualitatively

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analyzed them so for quantitative

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analysis excuse me we use linguistic

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inquiry and word count produce pronounce

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counts the content of the quantity of

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words and different psychologically

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meaningful categories and then for

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qualitative we use content analysis

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which is a research method for the

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subjective interpretation of the content

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of text through the systematic

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classification and coding and

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identifying common themes so what we

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quantitative findings we found that the

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descriptions of mediumistic experiences

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contained a larger proportion of words

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processes than did descriptions of

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psychic experiences so this implies that

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the that mediumship involves a more more

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interpersonal connections as well as

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experience than the reporting of psychic

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information about the living we also

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found that the descriptions of psychic

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experiences from these 122 participants

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contained a larger proportion of words

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that describe the category insight which

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is a cognitive process so that implies

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that the psychic experience may be more

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analytical or metaphorically left

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brained and the mediumship process might

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be more intuitive or metaphorically

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right brained for the qualitative

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content analysis we found many themes I

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just want to go through one specific one

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today in the mediumistic experience

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that the experience was discernment as

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the communication was triangulated and

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this makes sense

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the way we define mediumship is that

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they experience communication from the

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deceased and then report the messages to

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the sitter but in that hearing of the

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messages from the medium the sitter now

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experiences on after death communication

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with their deceased loved one for the

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psychic experiences the piece that I

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wanted to talk about was this which was

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that they reported the information

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flowing from various sources including

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self angels God and nonspecific deceased

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people during a psychic reading for the

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living so having done this research

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full-time for 15 years

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my natural spots was wait what dead

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people and a psychic reading so we knew

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that dead people reported information

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about the living during mediumship

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readings it's one of the categories that

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that we talked about that the deceased

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person will often include information

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identifying of themselves information

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about the sitter's life since they've

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died so I'm it's me and I'm still here I

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still saw you get married I still saw

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you paint the kitchen those sort of

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things so we knew that part but dead

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people giving information about the

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living during psychic readings like that

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was new and so I didn't know I didn't

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and so I didn't want to make any guesses

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or claims so I asked the mediums on our

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team so I sent them the threshold

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article and I asked them in an email

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have you ever experienced information

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about the living person getting a

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psychic reading as coming from deceased

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people and some said yes unless I'm

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doing a medium reading I assume all

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information comes from my guides and

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since I believe guides are people who've

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lived on earth they're deceased people

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another said accessing higher streams of

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consciousness brings information not

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just from the person's own energy but

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other energies as well but some said no

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the way I work with spirit is to create

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a boundary between mediumistic and

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psychic and if I didn't control it then

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yeah but I know how to control it so

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that doesn't have

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anymore this I wanted to bring up

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mediums often use words like energy

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vibration or level and these are words

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that come from fields like physics but

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there aren't words in English that

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describe exactly what a medium is

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experiencing so they sort of have to

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steal these words from other fields one

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medium said if some mediums are

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reporting that they're receiving

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information from random spirits maybe

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they're not fully developed well thank

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you research medium that's a hypothesis

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I can test and so in our survey we had

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also asked the people how long have you

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been performing mediumship readings for

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other people and all the whimpers

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mediums over ten years but only 30% of

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the self-identified mediums so maybe

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that's why I hadn't heard this before

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was that the mediums I work with are all

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have a lot of experience and they may

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have learned how to block it so this

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indicates a blocking communication from

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the deceased during a psychic reading

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maybe a learned skill and this also may

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be why some people in this group are

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saying no and and I don't know that how

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to tell the difference between those

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maybe it's something that you learn

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along the way so this finding of

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discarnates as a source of psychic

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information calls into question

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theoretical frameworks that posits

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separating mediums experiences into

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categories that do and do not involve

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communication with the deceased and the

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continued use of terminology reflecting

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such a separation so again we know the

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way that we've defined is that the

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deceased provide message is for sitters

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during mediumship readings and

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information about those sitters lives

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during mediumship readings and this new

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data demonstrates there that the

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deceased can provide information about

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psychic reading recipients during

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psychic readings but also the deceased

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during mediumship readings can provide

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information about other deceased people

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so someone might say like I'm with your

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grandmother I have the white dog with me

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so they provide information of other

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disease people and even about the future

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so one of the mediums on our team sent

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this

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to me not too long ago as you said I did

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a gallery reading meaning a group

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reading in a situation like this January

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27th and the sitter's mom so the medium

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was reading a female sitter and the sit

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and the sitters mom was talking her her

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deceased mom and the the sitters mom

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said that her grandson the sitter son

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was a football fan told me he liked the

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Eagles and said he'd be very happy very

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soon so basically announced all 600

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attendees that the Eagles were going to

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insuperable so don't box in what the

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deceased can do they're capable of a lot

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they lead rich lives their deaths or

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after lives I guess so

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we can't disprove that mediums are

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communicating with the deceased and we

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can't disprove that communication with

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the deceased is part of every type of

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sigh experience so it would be

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irresponsible to posit a general

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survival based theory for all sigh

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phenomena precognition dead people

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telepathy dead people clairvoyance did

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people but that would be irresponsible

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because that's not the reports from the

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people who have those experiences it

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would also be irresponsible to continue

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to use cymatics I like explanations for

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mediumistic experiences when we have

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this data from 122 people saying no

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they're different a clear line can't be

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drawn between purely psyche with the

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living and purely communication with the

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deceased experiences using terminology

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that implies we actually know what's

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going on or how it works is dangerous I

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was going to do a little survey here but

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move on language should be respectful

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and reflect the Preferences of the

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experiencers so all the people in this

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study a self-identified as mediums they

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identified with the term medium and they

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may use trance medium and they may use

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clairvoyant medium but I can't use that

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as a researcher because it's not it's

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not broadly generalizable to all people

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so and as a society we're already used

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to doing this we already know how to do

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this how to how to respect people's

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preferences because of people's gender

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identity and sexual preference we

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already know how to do this

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so going forward will be necessary for

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language to reflected Pyrrhic all data

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and about what what would decade were

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these things happening at without what

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decade were these things happening yeah

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so that I'm saying about modern mental

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American mediums that's not their

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experience so there's no evidence that

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that's what's happening the way

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mediumship works now that is a wonderful

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argument

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the assumptions about the nature and

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character of the afterlife other people

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would want to communicate and compare

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that to Samara our offices equally

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involved of various options so that

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seems like the way that a philosopher

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as an empiricist I'm just going to ask a

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bunch of people what's happening and

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that our mission at the windward

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Research Center is to alleviate

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suffering so I'm currently doing

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apparently and these people I'm very

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very important these people are having

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these experiences and it's very clear

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that the somatic sight that reading for

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cycling getting psyche and Frazier feels

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different than communication from the

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deceased so in order to respect their

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experiences I have to follow what

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they're saying not what we can

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conjecture philosophically about

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yeah over dinner I gotcha

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about 75% succeeded and we're quick to

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point out that a mediumship reading

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involves at least three people and the

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medium is only one so the sitter may be

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a bad sitter the deceased person might

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not have learned how to do it yet so

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it's the reason we this was through a

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grant of our gathering of our team and

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we don't do it anymore because we don't

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find it ethically sound to test someone

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and then say you didn't pass when it

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might not be the heir responsibility it

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could be to see Sir well my the accuracy

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data that I present is from 20 mediums

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during fifty-eight readings under

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quintuple blind conditions their

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readings are over the phone if I'm

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maxing out as the proxy sitter I don't

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have any information all we have is the

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first name of the deceased person I have

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specific questions whether the person

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look like how did they die what were

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their hobbies what messages do they have

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for the sitter and I could say like I

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defy you to do it but if he did it and

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he got it that just means he's a medium

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so I the date we've collected the data

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it demonstrates they're not doing fraud

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we've done EEG data that demonstrates

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they're not it's not imagining

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or recollection so yeah I mean if he

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changes his mind he doesn't get a TV

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show I can report negative data I can